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So, I'm listening to Gordon Lightfoot's album "Summertime Dream" (however it's on CD). Not only does this CD contain one of my top 10 favorite songs, "The wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald", but todays recording engineers could stand to learn something from these guys that worked in the days before Dolby noise reduction and all this surround sound shit. Fuck, this album (CD) sounds cleaner, clearer, sharper, has more dynamic range and greater, unforced presence than any current CD I've heard that wasn't a special Jazz or Classical recording. I remember listening to this on eight-track (anyone born after 1980, ask your parents what the hell I'm talking about. I'm too lazy to explain and it'll bring a smile to their face) and it sounded great back then.
Although I'm not a big fan of RUSH or YES, recordings from the 70s would kick the ass, up and down the street, of any current recording done with the latest digital technology. Why? Because these idiots that call themselves "recording engineers" no longer know how to work with the medium at hand and try to make everything as radio friendly as possible. Digital runs the risk of overloading easy but if recorded at a lower level, one can achieve pleasant dynamic range and clarity.
I say, have one recording that's been limited and compressed and squashed all to fucking hell to sound palatable over the radio without the level-pumping you get from a limiter trying to keep up with a dynamic fluctuation and one recording that sounds good over your stereo. And I'm not talking about these yuppie, all-in-one, don't-get-in-the-way-of-my-lifestyle pieces of crap that people call stereos. If I can hold one of the speakers in one hand, it's a piece of shit and should be thrown away.
All that said, we've let technology do too much of the thinking for us and no longer have the capacity to creatively use the medium at hand.

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[info]goraina wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 04:25 am (UTC)
can the same be said for traditional painting mediums vs. photoshop? :/ yes, probably...
[info]pablowapsi wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 04:43 am (UTC)
It's not actually the fault of the technology, (digital recorders, Photoshop, Painter, etc...) but how the idividual uses it. If the technology replaces the creativity, then I feel there is a problem.
[info]seiryu_16 wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 05:13 am (UTC)
I think it's a different TYPE of talent with digital mediums. There's no comparison for being to model something three-dimensionally: clay isn't the same, sculpting isn't the same, they're not COMPETING with one another. Digital art isn't meant to replace stuff done by hand, in a creative fashion (i.e. not commercial: they're interested in the best stuff done the quickest, bottom line) - we see more of it because it's DIGITAL, and we get (well, I get) the majority of my media input from the Internet.

The PROBLEM is when someone wants to entirely eclipse one medium with another, or fit them with clothes they don't belong in. Sometimes a warmer, breathier sound for an album better fits the music than a scrubbed, starched kind of tone. I like my more techno-ey stuff clear as a bell, but I do NOT take my Billie Holiday "cleaned up," but slightly scratchy, like the speakers it came out when she sang.
[info]steppinrazor wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 04:29 am (UTC)
Maybe that's why I love the White Stripes so much. They seem to put as much effort into their actual recording methods as they do their music... putting Elephant entirely on 8-track was brilliant.
[info]ryuko_midori wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 04:32 am (UTC)
Psh. You know what 8-tracks are if you were born in the 80's. Try 90's...

Anyway, I think the worse crime is the fact that technology can make abysmally bad singers who are moderately good looking or a moderately good gimmick get a record deal. They can just digitally fuck around with it until it sounds nice.

Of course, the same could be said for abysmally bad artists in photoshop, but that's saying a bit too much about my own talent, now isn't it...
[info]pablowapsi wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 04:45 am (UTC)
Now, don't go picking on your artin' ability. You art good. ^_^
[info]digital_panther wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 05:34 am (UTC)
Lets kick it up a notch...OR, My audio Nerdery...
...I still have (though it is in a box at my Mom's place in Florida) 8-Track recordings and I also have Quadrophonic tapes of Jethro Tull's Aqualung and Pink Floyd's Dark Side of The Moon. They are at my Mom's because the Quad deck was hers.

Now THAT was some trippy shit for me to listen to when I was a kid and going to HS in the early '80s. I miss Quad. I don't miss 8 tracks but I do miss quad.

Till Anon,
Kuro
[info]ladyriv wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 11:24 am (UTC)
"The wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald"

I thikn that's one of my favorite songs ever. My grandad used to play that for us all the time when we'd go to visit..
[info]ocarina wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 11:24 am (UTC)
This really isn't the fault of engineers. Most kids graduating nowadays would love to be able to record stuff like Gordon Lightfoot did (and instead they will be doing McDonald's radio commercials! hahaha!) It's producers who control how something will sound, most times. They don't really seem to grasp the concept of empty pockets and contrast in making music sound sharp. There was a big sort of classical movement in rock recording starting in the late 60's that really influenced this, where people realized they could get the same sort of drama in other kinds of music (also, everyone had to do an artsty orchestra backed album as well). The only place where you can find good production is in hip hop, oddly enough, and the dirtier, more garage rock bands. Gansta rap, country, popular rock, most american pop - it all sounds like garbage. All muddy with too much duplicated sound to make it seem louder.

Also, transfered to CD, reel to reel or DAT still sounds better than digital recording, or maybe I'm just a music snob! ;D
[info]ocarina wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 11:25 am (UTC)
Also, my husband still gets shocked that I, or anyone else not from the maritimes, knows Edmund Fitzgerald. He seems to think it was just a local song.
[info]la_biscuit wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 01:04 pm (UTC)
It's like writers and editors who depend on spellcheck. It's lazy, there's no craft to it, and all sorts of weird stuff gets through.
[info]pablowapsi wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 04:50 pm (UTC)
Yes, that's the point I was attempting to make in that long-winded rant. :)
[info]stuckintraffik wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 01:35 pm (UTC)
As a side note - while the Fringe Festival was in town, did you see Tim Uren's "Michigan Disasters"? It dealt in part with the details on the Edmund Fitzgerald, as well as one of the major mine disasters. Sadly, he was easily able to analogue them to his childhood. Says something about growing up in Michigan I guess...
[info]mikeoquinn wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 02:17 pm (UTC)
I've been a sound engineer for 11 years - that's half my life, for anyone counting. I learned from studio and live-sound engineers using the best that the previous decade had to offer. Never had enough money for the latest and greatest, so I learned to make do.

Nowadays, folks who know of my tendency toward theatre tech know me as the guy who can make a decidedly sub-par system sound great. It's an art in and of itself. I can use the digital systems well (just purchased a digital recording studio so I can start cutting my own CDs, instead of having to do all the work in someone else's studio), but that's because I don't let them do the job for me.

People tell me that when I'm behind the board, be it for performance or recording, that the sound is crisp, understandable, a good volume, and rich. I could hope for no better compliment. When they find out what I'm running, though, they normally wonder how I was able to do it. I just smile and go back to having fun and making someone sound good.
[info]harmonatrix wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 05:20 pm (UTC)
Please forgive this fangirl moment...
I was just introduced to your strip 3 days ago. I have read the whole thing (at least everything in the archives) and I love it!!!

I found your journal through the site. May I add it to my list?

Also will you be offering a syndication feed for LJ?

Thanks, and continued success w/ Wapsi Square!!!
[info]pablowapsi wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 05:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Please forgive this fangirl moment...
*blush* Thanks, glad to hear you enjoy Wapsi. ^_^ Feel free to ad me if you don't mind reading long winded rants occasionally.
I don't foresee a LJ feed for Wapsi any time soon, but that might be something that the group of us at Blank Label might be going over in the future.
Thanks for stopping by, feel free to jump in and introduce yourself at the Wapsi Forum. :)
[info]happykuroneko wrote:
Aug. 30th, 2005 08:05 pm (UTC)
Re: Please forgive this fangirl moment...
I should have said something along those lines as well (well, fanguy moment, I guess). I discovered Wapsi back on August 1st, had read the entire archive by August 2nd, and my Wapsi Square Vol 1 arrived in the mail last week! ^_^ It's a great comic with a great style. I think it's even better knowing that it's local (for me, anyway).
[info]carsond wrote:
Aug. 31st, 2005 06:20 am (UTC)
*snickers* You Audiophile..
[info]edsaari wrote:
Aug. 31st, 2005 12:18 pm (UTC)
Exactly my thoughts on the state of affairs in photography. There is *nothing* wrong with digital photography, but the technology has not, and WILL NOT - EVER, lessen the need for the aesthetic vision, and sweat, whether in the traditional darkroom, or behind a computer screen, banging on keys. Now, most "One-hour" and Commercial labs have adopted a digital system for printing, whether from a digital file or a traditional "wet" film image, so that the end product is "just the same" with posterization and jagged edges. The shock comes from viewing a print produced by a skilled (and it doesn't have to be a very high level of skill) artist and comparing it to the "machine" print.
I can't separate the Technicians from the Artists anyway - They all take something, an image, sounds, or .. and magically transform them into something "different", necessarily of lesser quality, compared to the original, but different - and from that difference, unique. Making a photograph, operating a 'sound board' (is that the proper name?) applying the chisel and striking it with a hammer, or applying pencil to paper - or a stylus to ...
ALL are equal in "rank" as far as I'm concerned.
[info]j_v_lynch wrote:
Aug. 31st, 2005 02:35 pm (UTC)
perhaps the word you are looking for is Craftsman.
[info]ckretmsage wrote:
Sep. 1st, 2005 11:14 am (UTC)
Woot
Two Canadian Bands in one Rant! Woot! Lol :)
[info]dantewyrmfoe wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2005 03:05 am (UTC)
I was actually listening to that song last night.
(It dawned on me that "Gloomy and "Do me" are about the only things that really rhyme with "Gtiche Gumee" but I digress)

I agree, the digitization of music has effectively bled the heart and soul out of a lot of music.

There were times when a good drummer could make or break a song. (Marky Ramone still remains pretty high on my list.) But when I listen to the radio now I notice little more than an emotionless beat machine...sad really.
[info]mcthag wrote:
Nov. 9th, 2005 04:19 pm (UTC)
Don't forget the target audience! You've heard them from blocks away with the subwoofer shaking the paint off the walls. They think the new mixes sound GOOD and Gordon Lightfoot is whiney. Wurd an all.

I read these sort of rants an wonder what everyone is talking about. My hearing is shot from dragsters and cannon. Tennitis is my constant companion. I have a friend who is a bleeding edge audiophile and he is literally in pain when riding in my car with its $100 each speakers and built-in amp head unit. He has offered to steer me through the process of getting an "acceptable" car system. I always counter with, "Why should I pay for quality I can't hear?"

Which brings me back to the audience. They have never trained their ear to hear the nuance that you enjoy from the original analog recording. And the market is catering to the uneducated masses (and making it worse by virtually eliminating anything to educate them). They aren't going to demand a difference they can't hear, and they aren't gonna hear it until taught. Hopefully rants like yours will steer them into trying better mixed music out. Keep up the good fight.
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